Endless Waltz v4 (1st place at 3 Store Championships)

Congrats on the wins Dave. I'm sure this deck is sick in the hands of someone who knows how to pilot it.

Do you find the anti-synergy with kati and day job to be an issue ever? I feel like I'd rather run john mas and another econ card instead of kati if I were slotting Day Job. Do you ever play Day Job with Kati in play? If so, because its faster money than Kati can give?

@Cerberus Great to see another win with your Leela!

@Dydra thanks for the comments. What is it that you disagree with regarding my thoughts on the Weyland and NEH match ups? I will be honest and say NEH is the deck that this has lost to the most (especially earlier versions without the Zu) but I don't think that's a surprise considering its recent strength and popularity. It's still got a very high win percentage against the archetype.

In regards to economy, I think you likely have a skill I don't when it comes to making decks with low economy work. I feel a surplus of credits can prevent a bad run, unlucky multi card access etc from creating scoring opportunities for the Corp. I don't think every deck needs X economy cards but I do feel it is often the part of a deck that isn't got quite right.

@x3r0h0ur Day Job isn't the perfect card for the deck as it has it doesn't work with Kati or Security Testing but I wanted another burst economy card and couldn't afford the Lucky Finds I'd been using in previous versions since I'd added the Zu.

I tested Bank Jobs and John M, both made my none glacier match ups better, but I don't feel this is where the deck needs help. I've rarely had problems with clashes though, if I have Desperado and Security Testing set up with a target, or Kati going, it's often not needed, but the games where the other economy is slow coming online, they are priceless.

@Dydra NEH is still very popular here though variations are common such as NEH Grail, NEH with Space Ice & ToL. Blue Sun is stupidly popular, and I agree the pure kill deck is really strong, though I also rate glacier in BS too.

I see this version runs without any card draw mechanics at all. @Cerberus have you felt the deck slow down at all with the removal of Mr. Li? I like the influence shift away from Lucky Find into Day Job (low credit total into high firing value is a tool this deck needs to get up off the ground), but my version seems to flourish with the inclusion of 2 or 3 Earthrise Hotels so that you can speed up a hair (or be more aggressive against PE decks).

I think that "the most common decks" will simply vary from area to area. The top four in our latest store championship were piloting the following ID's: #1 NEH & Edward Kim, #2 HB:EtF and Ken Tenma, #3 Blue Sun and Quetzal, #4 Tennin Institute and Kate.

I love seeing winning decklists from Leela. I always thought Desperado would be a poor console choice, but obviously I need to rethink how to play Leela (I'm definitely one of those shitties using Logos, though recently I decided to try out Doppelganger). I will give this decklist a try soon and let you know how it goes :)

PS if I'm short 1 Desperado, does a 3rd Kati or 3rd Legwork sound like a better sub? Or should I finally submit to 3-core master-race?

Oh, it's a 46 card deck. Well. Nevermind I guess!

Could you elaborate on how you feel about Logos Leela builds? I agree that Cresentus is a huge stretch but in my experience Logos has felt great.

@IceRay42 I keep going back and forth on draw, both Mr Li and Earthrise Hotel. There are cards I want in the deck more than draw currently, but I think that is simply a play style thing, it's rare I want to install my draw cards as there is always something else I'd rather be doing, so I ditched them.

@PaxCecilia if you don't have a 3rd Desperado I would add another economy card such as Kati. Let me know how you get on with it :)

@Jandrix Logos Leela builds are VERY different decks, much less aggressive often. If you are less aggressive you give up the chance for Leela's ability to snowball early game, where an early agenda pull sets the corps board position back significantly. I've won a lot of Leela games just from early aggression, and it feels similar to old school Gabe.

Logos definitely isn't bad in Leela, but it's only good if you see it early, it's not an economy card and so you need to add in more economy to your deck because of this. In my opinion people just go too all in on her ability, which isn't needed, you don't need to tutor a card AND bounce, it's cool, but often combos aren't as good as a solid deck with just breakers and credits.

I'm definitely not saying Logos is bad or that my deck is the best / only Leela build, because that's just arrogant and foolish. But I currently believe that a Desperado based aggressive deck is currently better than anything else I've tested or seen. Does this help? Thanks for the questions :)

@Cerberus It did help. Thank you.

Ultimately I think desperado vs logos comes down to ones preferred playstyle. I think that even though it's built differently Logos decks can be plenty aggressive early. Desperado will keep the pressure up more consistently but will lack large burst opportunities that Logos opens up.

Wondering if Day Job pulls it's weight? I'm thinking of dropping it for play tonight (love my Utopia Shard too much). Kati covers the long term economy alright, and Security Testing + Desperado + Dirty Laundry have a bit of anti-synergy with Day Job no?

@Jandrix more or less, Desperado encourages you to be aggressive, check open remotes etc. One thing I like about Logos is the fact you don't need to dedicate as many deck slots to key cards or silver bullets. My concern with it (rightly or wrongly) is that if you don't see Logos early it can really hurt you finding those cards when you need them.

@PaxCecilia the deck needed a bit more economy (they were originally Lucky Find) and this is what worked best, but a Shard is definitely a good call. Be interested to hear how it goes in testing.

@Cerberus If I were to drop both day jobs for a utopia shard (yea I have to agree about the anti-synergy), what card would you recommend for the last influence? Or would you just stick with a single day job?

@Cerberus Also, what do you look out for in your opening hands?

Man, I hate this deck.

nice, try snitch, it's really good in Leela. allows you to run aggressive without forcing annpying ices to ne rezzed so you can bounce them later

without Lucky Find it seems like this deck may rely on SecTest for a lot of economy. is that not the case? do you find yourself clicking for credits when SecTest is shut off? I grow more and more wary of SecTest as a fundamental economy card and like to include 2 as complementary economy. 3 Laundry and 3 SecTest seems like it could be rough against decks not playing asset economy.

@Cerberus Love this deck. After a few failed efforts with Leela builds, I took this exact build to a SC in Wicklow yesterday. It really does wonders against FA NEH. I lost once to NEH in the Swiss, but beat the same deck in the Top 8 as well as taking out two other NEH. It's only other defeat was to a HB glacier deck, which was just bad luck not finding my Special Order or Corroder - as . I do agree with your points of Desperado over Logos for the build you have here. I ran early and ran often, the 1 credit you get allowed me to pile through early game Pop-up Windows while I searched for early agendas. The only bad thing about this deck is, now that I've won and shared the list, I'm almost sure to be facing it myself in the future :)

@Rodge thanks for taking the time to share your win. I'm really keen for everyone to see Leela as a valid ID, that in some metas is stronger than Andromeda. The more people win with her the better. Congrats on your win, would you make any changes?

Love the deck, been trying it out and had some success on OCTGN last night. Thinking about Doppelganger for the console, though. Just seems like a good fit for Leela, could be explosive. But it could also just kinda sit there, idk.

I'd be shocked if Doppelganger is as good as Desperado, but test it and let me know. One of the key changes is adding in Symmetrical Visage to as the card draw.

The more I play with Desperado, the more I think you're right. Like Doppelganger could be explosive every now and then, but Desperado is just solid every game. I think there might be a build that could include Doppelganger and take advantage of it more.

I am gonna try Peacock instead of Zu. I mean if you think about the most popular code gates, probably Tollbooth and Enigma, Peacock is actually better for them. Costs 7 to get through a Tollbooth, while Zu costs 8 (although I guess Tollbooth should be Femmed anyway), and costs 2 to break Enigma while Zu costs 3 unless you want to lose a click. Freeing up 2 influence makes room for Lucky Finds over Day Jobs, or maybe Datasuckers to help out Mimic.